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Old 29-01-2007, 01:21 PM
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Ol white man em ol nau. Yumi ol blk man, yumi nau.

Some things can't really change, regardless of how smart we try. I have seen it other parts of the world. The aboriginals want to run their own affair, but just can't get over the line. And if they do like PNG, we just can't sustain and move forward.

I have come to the conclusion that, we are better off letting others to lead and we make the numbers. That is what we are good at.
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its getting out of hand here at home guys.. honestly...
i am speaking while its hapenning at the door step....
our people are so poor in terms of individially working and sweating to earn an icome that just a "packet of flaps and a bus fare" is all that is needed to send the same politician back to waigani...

why dont we organised some forum somewhere where we ponder over this issue and brain storming some positive alternatives
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Old 06-02-2007, 04:21 PM
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Some Thing Needs To Be Done Now

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its getting out of hand here at home guys.. honestly...
i am speaking while its hapenning at the door step....
our people are so poor in terms of individially working and sweating to earn an icome that just a "packet of flaps and a bus fare" is all that is needed to send the same politician back to waigani...

why dont we organised some forum somewhere where we ponder over this issue and brain storming some positive alternatives
Mi toktok pinis na bai mi tok gen ya. Yumi mekim ol forum na miting na miting na forum na miting na bai yumai kamapim wanem samting? Nau em taim blong kilim wanwan ol memba yu painim aut olsem ol i paulim ol pipol na paulim moni blong gavman (na pipol) i stap. Em Nau ol memba bai poret long stil nogut ol man bai kilim ol.

Time is running out we cannot afford a "revolution" or military government takeover. There will be immense chaos and the collapse of our economic, social and political structures. Seeing that we keep failing in many areas of our development programs how can we ever recover from such a carnage, we will disintergrate or implode to precontact tribalism as we know it except that now there are newer boundries and newer extremist social groups involved on the playing field (unemployed, rascals, urban youths, college pupils and more). PNG is a congregation of tribes. We are a tribalistic country if you will. We have gone from tribalism directly into modern PNG and have never been inducted into a collective conciousness appreciating PNG as a country or the PNG Nation.

Over to you guys. As you all have stated SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE and NOW.

SOME THING NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW
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Forget about one country and create 4 new countries

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I don't really know anything about the government issues in png, but all i do know is all the politicians there are either corrupt or just not fit enough to run the country. Not being racist or anything but maybe if png allowed australia to take care of them in the begginning our country would not be in such poverty or have a high percentage of hiv or even be working as slaves. no matter whether you have a degree in science, law, computering etc what good does it do if you earn less that K2 an hour and working your arse off when politicians run around in fancy cars or live in big flash houses while everyone else suffers. So with the prime minister thing i reckon they should let a white man with no racial issues run the country or surrender to australia....that's if aust would ever want png now with all its destructions. HOWEVER i know this would never be for another hundred years or more.....HOW SAD
I kinda agree with you relating to considering an outside person to run the nation. What are we going to loose? Nothing. We have lost it anyways.

The question is: Who is this person? Maybe consider breaking the country up into four regions then let these region decide for themselves how they want to run their regional government.

If they want to become independent, let them do so. In doing so, this will mean that these 4 new countries will have to decided which way they want to go. It worth a try. Yes, some regional governments will have to spend a bit more money to get themselves off the ground, but its a choice that will have to made by rulers of these regional governments. Who they decided to come in and help them is totally up to them.

Forget about one country and create 4 new countries.
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More exposure on Somare's Bull....t. which appeared in the National

The National
Wednesday January 03, 2007

By JULIA DAI A BORE
LEGAL documents obtained by the Defence Force Board of Inquiry suggest that fugitive Julian Moti was “not cleared” by the Vanuatu Courts on child sex charges.
Chairman Justice Gibbs Salika said yesterday that evidence before the inquiry suggested Moti was “not cleared” by the courts.
After he was arrested on Sept 29, last year in Port Moresby after arriving from Singapore, politicians including Prime Minister Sir Michael Somare and his deputy Don Polye called for Moti to be released and allowed a clear passage to the Solomon Islands.
Moti was arrested by Port Moresby police based on advice from Interpol, who had received a request from the Australian federal police.
After Moti was arrested and taken to the Boroko police station, Deputy Prime Minister Polye issued an explicit order to then acting Police Commissioner Tom Kulunga to release Moti “within the next hour”.
Mr Polye told Mr Kulunga that he felt that there were no legal grounds to detain and extradite Moti to Australia. Moti was released that night and taken to a hotel, and later moved to the Solomon Islands high commission, before being secretly flown to Munda on Oct 10.
After going through legal documents made available to him, Justice Salika said the evidence spoke otherwise.
“The evidence is contrary. He has not been cleared by the Vanuatu courts,” Justice Salika said yesterday.
Justice Salika made the comments when Joe Ealadona, the managing director of the National Broadcasting Corporation produced the transcript of an interview with Sir Michael on Oct 4, in which the Prime Minister called for Moti to be given safe passage back to Solomon Islands because he had been cleared by the court for what he had been accused of.
Justice Salika asked if the news item as reported by the NBC was an accurate perception of what the PM said to which Mr Ealadona replied: “The news was derived from the recorded interview.”
One of the documents before the Defence inquiry that suggest that Moti had not been freed by the Vanuatu courts is the statement in support of request for provisional arrest of Moti.
The document before the inquiry, dated Sept 28, 2006, gives details of Moti and also states the alleged offences which could land Moti up to 17 years jail in Australia if he is found guilty.
The warrant of arrest was issued on Aug 11, 2006, from Australia within Section 50AD of the Crimes Act 1914 (Commonwealth) by GB Pitt, acting magistrate.
The Australian request was based on fresh evidences, which suggested that the Vanuatu magistrate (named) hearing the case was allegedly sponsored by Moti to study at an Australian University in Sydney following the dismissal of the Moti sex charges.
The magistrate had based the dismissal on the basis that the complainant was not under the age of 13 years as required by section 97(1). The case was dismissed on Aug 23, 1999.
The document before the Defence inquiry gives full details of the allegations of the child sex offences committed by Moti in Vanuatu between May 1997 and Oct 25 1997.
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I think they have got their man. Let us now see how much of PNG monies will be used to keep him from testifying.
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Prime Minister Somare refuses to testify even though he was issued a summons to appear before the enquiry, instead he hired Posman Kua lawyers to act on his stead. Posman Kua lawyers have questioned the Terms of reference for the enquiry and are trying to play down the enquiry.

There is no one in the country who is above the law, even the Prime Minister. Questioning the integrity of a enquiry that is trying to reveal all, sound feasy and suspicious. I'd bet my money on Somare the main man behind the Moti escape.

PNG is being led by dogs who seem to be sniffing everywhere for opportunity to make a name at the cost of the general population. I really dont know how we can get rid of this stink that has been created since independence. The stance is getting worser every minute in this country. If traditionally our people are not depended upon subsistence farming, this country would have already expereinced civil wars and hunger like the African countries. It is a blessing that our people are self sufficient, they dont need the Somare tribe or for that matter the government to feed them.

It kind of frustrates me to even think about it, that such a country with rich mineral resources happen to struggle to provide basic services to our people. I hope some of them fade away with their rotten belly's which have grown big with the public purse.

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I am now saddened to see that even intergrity can be purchased in PNG. Mr Kerenga Kua who used to have very high moral fibre has now chosen to represent a crook who he very well knows is deep in a quagmire of corruption. All so that he can participate in looting the country's empty purse.
I can only hope that Mr Kerenga Kua hand over this case to some other law firm with loose morals.
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And more on the Michael Somare and Julian Moti from the press...........

The Post Courier
22nd February 2007


PM will not face inquiry

LAWYER representing Prime Minister Sir Michael Somare will today file an affidavit before the Defence Board of Inquiry stating the Grand Chief’s verification on the Moti saga.
The Prime Minister will not appear before the inquiry because of the Parliament sitting which started this week.
“The Prime Minister has agreed to file an affidavit to explain and verify his role in the whole Moti saga,” said Kerenga Kua, the lawyer representing Sir Michael.
The inquiry accepted the submission for the affidavit but told Mr Kua that he had until the end of business today to present the affidavit to the inquiry. The chairman of the Defence Inquiry Justice Gibbs Salika said the inquiry would not entertain anything coming in late as the inquiry had given the prime minister an opportunity to appear without summonsing him but he did not.
“We have given him (PM) enough time, we will not entertain anything coming in late. Everything should come in before 4.06 tomorrow (today),” Justice Salika said.
The inquiry said it had enough evidence from witnesses who had appeared to file the final submission, which it intends to do tomorrow.
Sir Michael, in an earlier submission he made before Parliament, had said he did not order or give directions for the clandestine operation which spirited Julian Moti in a PNGDF CASA aircraft on October 10 last year.
Meanwhile, sacked National Security Chief Joseph Assaigo maintains Prime Minister’s chief of staff, Leonard Louma had given him and Chief Secretary Joshua Kalinoe the directions for the operation.
But Mr Louma called Mr Assaigo a liar accusing him of changing his testimony before the inquiry.
The board of inquiry is preparing to make its final submission of the findings tomorrow.

AND.....

The National Newspaper
22nd February 2007


PM moves to scrap inquiry

By JULIA DAIA BORE
PRIME Minister Sir Michael Somare has moved to disband the PNG Defence Force Board of Inquiry.
Lawyers representing the Prime Minister appeared at the inquiry yesterday and demanded the immediate discontinuation of the proceedings by “disbanding itself” and “surrendering all its records, transcripts files” and everything else to the Minister for Defence.
Sir Michael’s lawyer Kerenga Kua also questioned the appointment of Justice Gibbs Salika as chairman of the inquiry.
Mr Kua contended that “there was no validly appointed chairman to this board and consequently the composition of this entire board and its entire proceedings was a legal nullity”.
This move comes as the inquiry is winding down and preparing to complete and send its final report to the Minister for Defence.
Mr Kua also said the summons served on his client Sir Michael to appear before the inquiry was not necessary on the basis that under Sect 52 (1) (a) of the Defence Act, he did not have or was likely to have material evidence that may be needed by the inquiry.
He said the summons for Sir Michael’s appearance should be withdrawn, and added that only Mr Joseph Assaigo had asserted that Sir Michael had directed the Moti flight.
This was hearsay; assumptions and that he was the only witness against three others who said they did not get any directions from the PM for such a military operation, he said.
On the jurisdiction issue, Mr Kua said the chairman “does not possess the qualifications and criteria set out under the Defence Regulation 3 (1) of the Defence (Boards of Inquiry) Regulations Chapter No. 74 of the Regulations”.
He said under the Defence Regulations 3 (2), the chairman of the inquiry would have to be an “officer of the Defence Force”, and said “since the current chairman was not, unless proven otherwise, he does not quality to be appointed as chairman”.
On Wednesday, suspended director-general of the Office of Security and Coordination assessment Joseph Assaigo claimed before the inquiry that he strongly believed there was a grand collusion or conspiracy between Ambassador Barney Rongap, Chief Secretary Joshua Kalinoe and PM’s chief of staff Leonard Louma to make it look like he was telling lies before the Defence inquiry.
Mr Assaigo said this when senior counsel assisting the inquiry John Kawi put it to him that all the other senior Government officials including the Prime Minister Sir Michael had said in the media and also before the inquiry that they had no knowledge of the clandestine flight until the operation was reported in the media.
Mr Kawi asked Mr Assaigo what he had to say for being branded “a lair”.
Mr Assaigo said he was very consistent with his evidence.
He said he had followed directions relayed to him by the PM’s chief of staff, who had told him the instruction to remove Moti came from the Prime Minister.
Mr Assaigo made it quite clear he had no direct communication with the PM and named the three men as “close to the PM” and not himself.
He told the inquiry that on the basis of his evidence being consistent and taking all the blame; including being branded a ‘lair’, he believed that Mr Rongap, Mr Louma and Mr Kalinoe were part of the conspiracy to brand him a lair.
Mr Kawi put it to Mr Assaigo: “Was Sir Michael part of the conspiracy?” Assaigo said: “No.”
The inquiry will rule on the application to disband the inquiry today
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Mr. Assaigo is right, this is a conspiracy to hide the truth. The three man (Kalinoe, Louma and Somare) all have conspired to lie before oath that Somare or either one of them was aware of the flight.

How can Assaigo order a flight without the Prime Ministers approval. This flight broke all international aviation laws, and the direction had to come from the Prime Minister for such an exercise to take place. Assaigo is someone down the line who is taking all the blame from the top brass.

Prime Minister Somare is blatantly lying to the people of Papua New Guinea. His other associates who licks his shoe to get those top position (Kalinoe and Louma), are adament in their innocense. Blatant lies will always find it way out into the open, when it does, nothing is hidden.

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