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Old 18-10-2005, 12:16 AM
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Old 23-10-2005, 07:37 PM
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Old 01-11-2005, 04:11 PM
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Legalizing Prostitution is NOT the answer

Folks,

lets not forget that more than 80% of PNG's population are rural based and generally depends on sussistence agriculture. There are many untapped natural resources and everyone has a piece of land sitting idle somewhere at home.

Prostituation is not the means to an end but rather a cyclic behaviour. It is exhibited by:

1. those who migrate to urban centres for better/easier life from rural areas.
2. those in marital problems and have no other means to survivie in the urban centres.
3. the educated population that cannot get a job to make a living and who do not fit into village life.
4. organized underground prostitution for economic, political or other reasons.

What we need is motivation, support and initiatives from the government and its agencies to provide employment or self-help opportunities where people can occupy their time and energy in. In the hustle and bustle of the city life, we have the educated PNGn's who are aware and exposed to the western ideals and ways of life. Between the extremes of the ignorant majority and the informed minority, we have many in the grey area who are really caught up in the confusion of changes. As changes continue to happen, the rural-urban drift will cause more people to migrate and compound the current woes.

Legalizing prostitution in PNG will only cause more problems. We have enough in our hands that we are unable to deal adequately at present. We should talk about redirecting energy and time to doing useful things that would develope the country and the people in a meaningful way. We are only trying to mimic or copy what we hear, read or see happening in other developed socitites. Don't forget, we are only 30 years old and too young to engage in legalizing prostitution. May be physically like an 18 year old who wants to start experimenting sexually, but not mentally as yet.......

The lifestyle of the western societies create the kinds of environment for prostitution. There are no more than 800 languages, different cultures or traditions. There are no wantok systems and tribal warriors. People respect life and laws and the rights of others. There are no compensation claims of any kind but insurance. The government owns most of the land. Its individuals and families work hard for their own survival. Their societies have undergone many changes with the test of time and evolved to be as civilized as they are now and it took centuries, not a mere 30 years. Their attitude to work is different. We just don't have these in PNG. We are still infants in terms of civilization but richly blessed with all the needed resources. Our problem is that we are not creative enough to be productive. Are we out of our minds to even contemplate legalizing prostitution? Where is our conscience and common sense? Use your GOD given minds and think before talking about selling oneself for a living to make ends meet..............We have plenty to thank for.

We need more debating here. Those with colorful ideas keep pouring in........

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Is it immoral? Is it wrong? Is it right, is it wrong, is it right?



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Old 01-11-2005, 04:36 PM
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Folks,

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Legalizing prostitution in PNG will only cause more problems. We have enough in our hands that we are unable to deal adequately at present. We should talk about redirecting energy and time to doing useful things that would develope the country and the people in a meaningful way.

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We need more debating here. Those with colorful ideas keep pouring in........

fab

Legalising is a misnomer, what really is proposed is decriminalizing and regulating.

If you make something "illegal" then it costs money to enforce the law.

I agree PNG has enough problems as it is without wasting valuable police resources chasing women who are only trying to earn enough money to feed themselves and their families. Instead police should be our there catching real criminals.

If you make something "illegal" then if you do not enforce it properly it encourages corruption. Police will accept bribes to turn a blind eye to illegal brothels because they know that everyone privately accepts them anyway. That is not the sort of legal system or police force that PNG needs or can afford. Petty corruption like this then leads to bigger corruption on a systematic scale.


And yes .. I endorse whole heartedly that there should be more debate on this issue and similar and the ideas should be "pouring in".

The people that exchange and debate ideas in places like this chatline are incredibly important to the future of this country. Even if you are not a political leader you are an intellectual leader and ideas leader.

Good, passionate and robust debate of issues like this is essential to a healthy robust society and democratic nation. Keep the comments coming.
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Old 04-12-2005, 11:54 AM
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Wanem as stret long legalaisim prostitution?

Prostitution results from the lack of proper and adequate provision to take care of a human being. The proliferation in such practices in PNG has resulted from a lack of clear guidance, both political and economical to address the human suffering at the grassroots level.

Put the rhetoric aside. Deal with the heart of the issue that leads to prostitution-the need to house, clothe and feed a person. Sure legalising prostitution may be a short-term answer. What of the long-term? Legalising it will only create an avenue for many others to take the easy street.

Academic theories aside, deal directly with the wholesome issue of why people engage in prostitution. The topic needs more enlightened opinons on the matter.
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Old 04-12-2005, 04:57 PM
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Academic theories aside, deal directly with the wholesome issue of why people engage in prostitution. The topic needs more enlightened opinons on the matter.
This is a curious thing to say. Do you mean that academic theories are no good, academic theories don't put any light on a topic.

Where should we look for these "enlightened opinions" then. Maybe the Tarot cards or the tea leaves, lets slaughter a chicken or two and see what the entrails tell us.

People chose to engage in prostitution for one of three reasons.

1. They like sex.
2. It pays well.
3. Out of economic necessity.

When debating the "evils" of prostitution we forget that that a significant number of people, male and female, chose to work as prostitutes for the first two reasons. Some of the most influential people in history were the consorts of Kings and Queens, Generals and Presidents.

Apart from reminding you of this fact this is of course not what we are discussing here.

Most prostitution is carried out because the women have no choice. They work out of economic necessity.

You are right, the way to get these people out of prostitution is to give them a real choice. To provide a real alternative. This should be in the form of training in useful skills, advice and support to set up business activities and incentives

That should be the role of government and the aim of concerned people that genuinely want to help. Not wasting scarce govt resources chasing and gaoling people.

Banning prostitution takes away the only form of economic support they currently have. I fail to understand how the misguided goodie-two-shoes in society sees this as "helping" them
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Old 06-12-2005, 11:50 PM
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In an ideal world, Maverick, what you say would be something we could all *demand* from our government. But allow me to invite you to the world all the rest of us live in....life is not fair, governments do not function the way they should, people actually *suffer* from the "lack of proper and adequate provision to take care of a human being" - millions are job-less, hundreds of thousands die avoidable deaths...welcome to the REAL world, my friend. Yes, welcome, and get off that pontificating box of yours.
And do you think resorting to prostitution is really "the easy street"? You honestly believe that? I would laugh at your naivety if this wasn't such a serious topic - especially in our country! It is because of short-sighted people such as yourself that this country has suffered so much economically (and thus socially) and will continue to suffer dearly in the years to come. If people like you just got their heads out of their butts and took a long look around them, we might come up with some really practical, usable ideas....and not rehetorical drivel based on utopian states like you describe....na bahain long dispela taim yu yet bai save "Wanem as stret long legalisim prostitution".


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Wanem as stret long legalaisim prostitution?

Prostitution results from the lack of proper and adequate provision to take care of a human being. The proliferation in such practices in PNG has resulted from a lack of clear guidance, both political and economical to address the human suffering at the grassroots level.

Put the rhetoric aside. Deal with the heart of the issue that leads to prostitution-the need to house, clothe and feed a person. Sure legalising prostitution may be a short-term answer. What of the long-term? Legalising it will only create an avenue for many others to take the easy street.

Academic theories aside, deal directly with the wholesome issue of why people engage in prostitution. The topic needs more enlightened opinons on the matter.
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Old 09-12-2005, 07:00 PM
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All of you are some kind of save kilim man but your points are based on your existencial views of prostitution and I'm scared of that. Don't you ever come to your senses that your intellect and will is fallen and finite. If you are really PNG blut you would really understand why do have a"bloodless independence"and although we rich in resources we are still struggling to survive on bits.
Do you know why the Roman Empire fall?
First you have to know that Absolute Evil corrupts Absolutely. Where there is no Absolute Moral Law, the whole country falls.
If you don't know where you got your moral from then don't say your mind in this kind of issues coz without a base you are just a blup and sack of guts.
Thats not us PNG's, we are reached by Reformation born countries and by missionaries that as set a foundation Based on the Absolute Truth which is unfallible and Inspired by our Creator(Bible). Man are created to be stewards of the land and not to be stewards of themsleves by defying their bodies. We have a God given brain and able body to do things which are morally good in terms of Biblical point of view to sustain ourselves.
BY legalising prostitution we won't slove anything but create another problem that our future generation would sweat their guts to slove it.
Before we go on to do anything, lets look at what has caused or pushed us to tolerate prostution, rather than what can we do to solve it.
PLEASE I ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO READ FRANCIS SCHAFFER'S BOOK (HOW THEN SHOULD WE LIVE)....It's because of tolerance and secular-humanistic thinking that corrupts everything..No matter how hard they try to change with idaes but they still fall.....
For the last time, without the WORD OF GOD there is no foundation
Wanbel em stap....

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Maus Gras, well said re the issue of decriminalizing the act of prostitution. It is common knowledge that some women and some gay men, prostitute their bodies for cash, for survival iin this rough world..You have brought up the point on EMPOWERING women (and men). If one has to talk about this act of commercial sex, one has to provide the alternative solution for the women who engage in it. Alternative means of earning money standing up and not on their backs, which only gives them a bad reputation.
Commercial sex thrives overseas, PNG is PNG, we cannot compare cos our way of life is intrinsically woven by culture, traditions, customs, beliefs etc, and the idea of legalising brothels will not go down well with most. However, a good research, must be done to identify the reasons/factors and then come up with the most suitable solutions for alternate income for the sex workers, and only these people can say the "why, what, how, when" to provide insights into this age od ancient business.

Just my thoughts.
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Old 12-12-2005, 09:21 PM
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I feel for my fellow PNG women who have not
had enough education to get them jobs that could give
them decent money to make ends meet. And what about
the grass roots meris on the sidewalk, peddling their
wares and buais.They are trying to make an honest days
work. If they didnt have that, and if worse comes to
worse, they just might end up, selling their bodies.
Its all about self esteem and the power to go on with
life struggling instead of giving in for the fast buck
via prostitution.

Honestly, this is a big issue that needs careful
research/analysis and somethings needs to be done
soon. Younger woman coming up might think that is an
option for them, the option of commercial sex.It is
not, it is an act of laziness or desperatness.

My name is Jinnie. I am a true patriot, I feel for my
fellow woman, I just wish the leaders could look at
things a bit more clearly, but like I said, we are all
laymen, and the leaders can only believe
research/studies done on the commercial sex workers
(CSW), and workshops in which the CSW air their
views.Someone needs to sit down with the CSW and
listen to them! Thats all I am saying.

Cheers now.
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