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Old 27-06-2005, 02:15 PM
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Legalising Brothels.... What do you think?

What is your say?

Is it immoral? Is it wrong? Is it right, is it wrong, is it right?



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Old 28-06-2005, 10:32 AM
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My wantok, I witness prostitution on a daily basis in Lae. Thus, I witness sale of morality for money on a daily basis. So, I'll say two things: 1. legalising prostitution merely acknowledges the existence of prostitution; 2. morality (and religion) is no longer communal, it is personal. Sad but true.

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Old 29-06-2005, 12:10 PM
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Question Increase marriage break-up!

I am totally against the whole idea!

Manus MP's must vote against it!

I am of the opinion that legalising brothels will cause more issues than solving current challenges.

We have to consider both physical wants and spiritual needs. Indirectly we are saying yes to the spread of HIV. What is being practised in develeped countries will not happen here as history has shown.

Broken marriages will be evident, as it can be seen with the frequent use of chat lines in developed countries. The promise of satisfying own wants and false promises leads to broken and unhappy marriages/relationships. In PNG, this will surely translate to murder cases; in cases where a husband or spouse becomes neglected and takes the law into his/her own hands.

Is the country willing to have negative press all over the world due to these socio-economic issues and its relating impacts?
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Old 29-06-2005, 04:44 PM
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(hey muppy...this would be a good one for the polls...)

I am against the idea of legalising prostitution...
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Old 30-06-2005, 02:05 PM
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To be honest prostitution exists behind closed doors...discreetly.
The Govt should hit out against it rather than trying to legalise it.
It will wreck the society.
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Old 02-07-2005, 04:39 PM
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Exclamation My Opinion Tasol...

This is very true about PNG facing up to reality about what prostitution is doing and happening around us today especially in our towns such as Port Moresby, Lae, Mt Hagen, Rabaul and Madang. But regulating of prostitution is not going to solve this problem. There are many avenues to explore before resolving to legalisation of prostitution. Many of the developed countries that have regulated this industry are still trying to come up resolutions to stabilise this so call “adult entertainment centres”.

It’s true to protect people who are involved in the sex industry because they will fell inferior. To be able to do this the government has to work with human right activists and churches to come up with solutions to help this people off the street and back to their normal lives. Legalising prostitution is not the way to do this and its not going to help and protect the people involve in this trade. Remember that legalising prostitution will increase the number of drugs involve with this. Drugs and Prostitution are married and we have to think about this as well.

How can brothel be legalise to justify getting Youths of the streets. Youth’s issues are totally different issue from sex industry and this shouldn't go unchallenged? These are two different issues and should be address separately in dept details. Youths are lost people in societies and they need to have their voices heard! The Government has done nothing to help young Papua New Guineans to stand up and do things for themselves.

As stated by the article, regulating the sex industry will protect underage children not to be involve – It’s true but how about providing assistance to young people so they can be able to look after themselves than to go and sell their body for sex. If the government had sources that indicated that many illegal brothels are around in the country than do something about it!



This is my response to this article: http://www.postcourier.com.pg/20050623/thhome.htm


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Old 04-07-2005, 12:25 PM
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I agree with the comments made by meripng. Legalizing brothels will also have an indirect impact on other challenges PNG is currently faced with. I presume that an in crease in the following with be felt:
  • Increasing in migration from smaller towns or rural area into towns or city where legalized brothels are located;
  • increase in social issues - breakdown of marriages; less money to support the children and pay for monthly bills;
  • increase in absentees from work;
  • increase in absentees from schools;
  • bringing in of outsiders into the country for sex trade;
  • child sex trade;
  • high crime rate - murders - sex related
Relating to moral issues, legalizing brothels opens the way for other types of life style to happen in PNG. This will include but not limited to -
  • Push for alternative life styles - (same sex marriages);
  • Legalized abortion;
  • Adult entertainment - strip shows, etc
  • Adult’s magazines /DVD's into the country, even though most are already available on internet.
  • And the list goes no.
Our politicians will surely benefit from such business ventures, but the ordinary country men/women will suffer in a long run.

Always remember that our own children shoulder in silence what we adults do. They carry the hidden burden with them forever and that is what I fear - a free ticket that will surely play an important role in shaping up our own kids behaviour and therefore their destiny.

We always say this on "Remembrance Day"! "Today we remember those that lost their lives to fight for our homeland. Without them, we have no future".

Our kids might say the same thing. "Today we condemn those that were foolish to have made such a decision. May they continue to be burn in hell."
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I agree with the comments made by meripng. Legalizing brothels will also have an indirect impact on other challenges PNG is currently faced with. I presume that an in crease in the following with be felt:
[list][*]Increasing in migration from smaller towns or rural area into towns or city where legalized brothels are located; [*]increase in social issues - breakdown of marriages; less money to support the children and pay for monthly bills;
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Mangitbay ... clearly you have given great thought to this issue in order to make up this long and comprehensive list but you have overlooked a few.

It is obvious that legalising brothels will also cause

the chickens to stop laying eggs
dogs will want to lie down with cats
water will stop boiling
and worse of all ...... we'll all go blind.

You have made an exhaustive list of "evils" without any evidence to link them to brothels.

For example, just how will legalised brothels lead to increased child prostitution. In fact I put it to you that the exact opposite will happen.

Legalised brothels will be specially licensed and have to conform to strict regulations or lose their license. Among these license conditions will be regular health checks of the sex workers (reducing the incidence of sexually transmitted diseases), a minimum age limit for employment, proper and fair working conditions and payment, hours of opening, location of premises (away from schools and churches).

It is the unregulated and illegal sex industry where the bad practises of underage workers, poor hygiene, STD's and corruption of police flourish.

Just how for instance would legalised brothels lead to increased migration from villages into towns or break up marriages. Are you seriously suggesting hundreds or thousands of men will leave their villages just so they can pay for sex? The thought is laughable. And if married men are preferring to pay for sex with a stranger rather than with their wives I would suggest that there is already something wrong with the marriage.- if you actually stop to think about your "reasons" then they are clearly illogical.
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You have made an exhaustive list of "evils" without any evidence to link them to brothels.

For example, just how will legalised brothels lead to increased child prostitution. In fact I put it to you that the exact opposite will happen.

Legalised brothels will be specially licensed and have to conform to strict regulations or lose their license. Among these license conditions will be regular health checks of the sex workers (reducing the incidence of sexually transmitted diseases), a minimum age limit for employment, proper and fair working conditions and payment, hours of opening, location of premises (away from schools and churches).

It is the unregulated and illegal sex industry where the bad practises of underage workers, poor hygiene, STD's and corruption of police flourish.

Just how for instance would legalised brothels lead to increased migration from villages into towns or break up marriages. Are you seriously suggesting hundreds or thousands of men will leave their villages just so they can pay for sex? The thought is laughable. And if married men are preferring to pay for sex with a stranger rather than with their wives I would suggest that there is already something wrong with the marriage.- if you actually stop to think about your "reasons" then they are clearly illogical.
Maus Gras: You seem to operate on "Seeing is Believing" approach. The are a lot of evidence in the developed countries. Get out of PNG and see it for yourself in smaller citys of developed countries. High school kids making money after school.

If such practice is happening in developed countries, how are you going to prevent it form happening in PNG? There is a strong corelation with such issue and black market bia outlets in PNG. Legalised brothels will not stop similar openning in settlements. In actual fact, the settlements will bloom faster than the Legalised ones. One does not to have to be a rocket scientist to work that out.

Look at all the child sex trade in Asia. Tell me if this will not be the case in PNG? In actual fact, what happens in Asia comes to PNG quickly. Food stalls along the road side, selling of clothes on the streets.

I respect your opinion to look at the different side of the story or getting revenue for the province, however such revenue making process can cause long-term social challenges. We like development and business oportunities, however, we don't seem to understand the socially issues that it causes. And when it does, we don't have an answer to resolve it.
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Old 03-09-2005, 04:52 PM
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[color=seagreen]Maus Gras: You seem to operate on "Seeing is Believing" approach.
Thanks for your reply. You are correct, I very much operate on a "Seeing is Believing approach". As a teacher and a scientist I am trained to to form conclusions only on hard evidence. The evidence must then be logically linked to the conclusion.

I know that sometimes I am criticised for my strong words, but if you read them clearly, I never criticise anyone for their beliefs. But I am strongly critical of the illogical and fuzzy thought processes they are too often based on. A conclusion must be supported by evidence and an "assertion" is not evidence.

What are my beliefs then on this issue. I believe the evidence shows that legalising the sex industry will lead to decrease in organised crime and reduction in police corruption. This has been overwhelmingly demonstrated in those countries that have a regulated sex industry. However I think that it would not have the same impact in PNG because the sex industry is not highly organised in the same way as it is in western or asian countries. In these countries the people who run the illegal sex industry also run the gambling, illegal immigration and drug industry. In PNG the sex industry is a "cottage" industry. Except for some notable examples in the larger cities it is usually individual women out of economic necessity that prostitute themselves. They are not "organised" and run other illegal activities (except perhaps as a low level drug dealer)

Legalising the city brothels will do nothing to help them. It would be much better to firstly decriminalise the act of prostitution because that only pertetuates the cycle of poverty but make the men (pimps) who organise then women more liable for sexual and physical abuse. By empowering the women to take control of their own lives then and only then will they find alternatives to selling their bodies for economic survival.
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