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calvary cross
28-03-2004, 10:53 AM
An international lottery by a Christian mission that works to alliviate poverty and suffering worldwide. A US$10,000,000 first division prize is certainly something worth considering.

The lottery is not based on making millionaires of the lotery promoters (which is a Christian Mission) but in funding their mission and spreading the proceeds fairly.

1 in 50 players are guaranteed a prize. The balance of the pool is distributed fairly that it was difficult for the Mission to initially obtain their license which has now been granted by three countries, Spain, Italy and Brazil.

This is certainly a far better alternative to the mindless gaming on pokies, a fixed game in which only the promoters are winners and the proceeds have no tangible benefit to the community.

email clavarycross@yahoo.com
for more information and to register for the June 1 grand draw.

Robert de Jesus
Vice President Public Relations
Cross of Calvary Mission

possum
29-03-2004, 02:22 PM
Christian means literally a follower of Christ.

Therefore one must ask the question:

'Would Christ approve of the concept of gambling (which is what a lottery is) to secure funds for mission work?'

I think not.

muppie
01-04-2004, 12:11 PM
With an email address of @yahoo.com 99.99999999999999999999999% chances are this is fraud

meripng
16-04-2004, 11:48 AM
(N) :nuts: (N)

Talk about Christianity and where are the values of this?????

More scams and please stop using CHRISTIANITY for your personal gain...

calvary cross
16-04-2004, 04:30 PM
I have read all of the personal insults and general garbage directed at our lottery. We did visit PNG during the first week of April and our stay was restricted to Port Moresby and a quick trip to Kwikilla and then to Brown river. We had the opportunity to talk to and assess the lifestyles of slum dwellers and squartters from a number of settlements and this included a housing residential colony near University of PNG. The 'generosity' of the colonials was interesting to say the least. We have visited better places in Africa.

The idea of the lottery is not new and has never been new. The idea of the Calvary cross lottery is even more unusual in that apart from being audited it provides a larger and better ratio of winners to the pool. We expected such insults and opposition from vested interests of 'Christian groups' and the horse racing machine syndicates (backed by Australians and Chinese who demand a monopoly in the face of silent 'Christians'), and the general self righteous 'elites' who do nothing but hold their positions of power and preach.

The idea that somehow Christianity is alien to such methods of funds raising is both misplaced as well as it is offensive from the point of view of comments thats been raised on this site.

There are at least 20,000 representatives of our groups spread the world over which includes our group in Spain that promote the lottery and sign up where possible players. The fact that each of us does not want to possess or create a home website is irrelevant.

In any event, if you wish to be puritanical about it, the self righteous comments and gratuitous remarks by someone such as yourself is in itself un Christian. don't place yourself on a pedestal above anyone else, thats being un Christian.

We do not have naything to be ashamed of like you appear to have. Christianity is not about being poor and risk averse. it is about being what you want to be and to be able to restrict your acts to that which are charitable and good.

meripng
18-04-2004, 11:58 AM
If what you stated is true than why can't this Calvary Lottery have a website or more information regarding this Lottery. I have done my research on this Lottery scam and found that there's no information on Calvary Lottery. As you say you have people working around the world promoting this Lottery, may I ask what Calvary Cross stands for in your religion? Does it means you promoting the word of God or promoting your Lottery Scam.

I have found this article very interesting and thought of sharing my view with my other fellow PNGan's and what other Churches think of Lottery games.

Don't Play the Lottery for Me!
January 1, 2003

The West Virginia pastors who accepted Jack Whittaker's tithe on his $170 million Powerball booty should be ashamed of themselves. One of them said, "That's a blessing to have that kind of backing." I don't think so.

Christ does not build his church on the backs of the poor. The engine that delivers his righteousness in the world is not driven by the desire to get rich. The gospel of Jesus Christ is not advanced by undermining civic virtue. Let the pastors take their silver and throw it back into the temple of greed.

In 2001 Americans wagered $57 billion dollars on lotteries, $18 billion on horses and dogs, $592 billion in casinos, and $150 billion on other gambling. This is a blot on American life. Break it down to individuals. Massachusetts sells more than $500 worth of lottery tickets each year for every man, woman, and child. Think how many do not gamble, and you will begin to imagine what thousands are throwing away to have a 1-to-135,145,920 chance for the jackpot.

The American exploitation of the poor with lotteries muddies the conscience of many legislators. Statistics abound that "the government-sponsored lottery continues its shameless exploitation of the poor" (James Dobson, April, 1999 Newsletter). This exploitation is explicit in some of the advertising bought by the $400 million spent annually by states to promote lotteries. For example, in Chicago one sign read: "This could be your ticket out." That is shameless. Other promotions mock the virtues of hard work and serious study as a way to make a living. Plan A: Study hard, save money, get old. Plan B: Play the lottery.

Only a few, it seems, are willing to say how far and how manifold are the corrupting effects of the lottery. How many have pondered this insight from Richard Neuhaus, "In a democracy, the need for popular consent to tax is a powerful check on government growth and irresponsibility. A government that raises money by encouraging and exploiting the weaknesses of its citizens escapes that democratic mechanism of accountability. As important, state-sponsored gambling undercuts the civic virtue upon which democratic governance depends" (First Things, Sept., 1991, p. 12).

Is it a "blessing" for the church of Jesus Christ to have the backing of a social sickness that "destroys marriages, undermines the work ethic, increases crime, motivates suicide, destroys the financial security of families . . . and dupes people into believing [it] will benefit the children" (Dobson)?

Don't play Powerball for me. And don't play it for Bethlehem. I go on record now that I will not knowingly take any money won from gambling. And I will do my best to lead the elders of our church from accepting any money offered to this church from the proceeds of gambling.

We are followers of Jesus. He had no place to lay his head and did not accept the demonic temptation to jump off the temple for the jackpot of instant recognition. The Calvary road is not paved with Powerball tickets, but with blood. The Church was bought once by One who refused the short cut of instant triumph. It will never be bought by those who dream of riches.

The lottery is another opportunity to pierce your soul with many pangs, and lead your children into ruin. The Bible says, "Those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. . . . Some by longing for it . . . and pierced themselves with many a pang (1 Timothy 6:9-10). In other words, the desire to be rich is suicidal. And endorsing it is cruel.

It is wrong to wager with a trust fund. And all we have, as humans, is a trust fund. Everything we have is a trust from God, to be used for his glory. "[God] himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything" (Acts 17:25). Faithful trustees may not gamble with a trust fund. They work and trade: value for value, just and fair. This is the pattern again and again in Scripture. And when you are handling the funds of another, how much more irresponsible it is to wager!

Don't play the Lottery for Bethlehem Baptist Church. We will not, I pray, salve your conscience by taking one dime of your plunder, or supporting even the thought of your spiritual suicide. Let the widow give her penny and the laborer his wage. And keep your life free from the love of money.

Pastor John

Reference: http://www.desiringgod.org/library/fresh_words/2003/010103.html

meripng
18-04-2004, 12:12 PM
"Gambling is inevitable." So began the introduction to the final report of the Commission on the Review of National Policy Toward Gambling. "No matter what is said or done by advocates or opponents of gambling in all its various forms, it is an activity which is practiced, or endorsed, by a substantial majority of Americans."

There in just two quotations is the whole debate concerning gambling. Like every good debate, there are two sides to the question. One side asks, "How can any activity which receives the approval of 80 percent of the people be considered wrong?" The other side replies, "How can we give our approval to any activity which so obviously opens the door to personal and civic corruption?"

There are a few questions about gambling which must be answered. What does the Bible say about gambling? Why should legalized gambling concern the Christian? Is gambling always wrong?

To be sure, Christians have not always agreed on the answers to those questions. In fact, there are three schools of thought on the question of gambling and the Christian faith. The first is the position which sees gambling on a small scale as a harmless social activity. This is the position of the Catholic Church. The second is the position which sees no great harm in gambling but opposes legalization on a major scale. Many mainline denominations take this position along with many individual Catholics. The third is the position which views gambling as a moral evil and therefore opposes it any form, public or private. Most evangelicals take the third view.

Having said that, it must be admitted that gambling is fairly popular among church members across the board. Tom Watson, Jr., in his recent book Don't Bet On It (Regal Books, 1987) reports that, when asked, 8 out of 10 Roman Catholics classify themselves as gamblers. Gambling among Jews is pegged at 77 per cent, followed by Presbyterians and Episcopalians at 74 per cent, Methodists at 63 per cent, and Baptists at 43 per cent. Among those calling themselves nondenominational, 33 per cent say they gamble now and then. Watson notes that this last group includes the traditionally conservative Bible churches. As he says, "that figure sounds low when compared to the denominations, but it means that one out of every three conservative Christians may have no scruples about gambling." (p.64)

Therefore, because Christians have not always agreed on gambling, it is worthwhile for us to examine the issue of gambling from a Christian perspective.

I. A Definition Of Gambling

The issue is more important than it might seem. It is sometimes said that buying life insurance or investing in the stock market is a form of gambling. If that is true, then most of us are guilty of gambling or (and this is what is intended by the argument) gambling is not wrong. Such a viewpoint can only be sustained by an imprecise, fuzzy definition.

The dictionary defines gambling as "to bet money on the outcome of a game, contest, or other event," "to play a game of chance for money or other stakes." Another more complicated definition says that gambling is "wagering money—or something of value—on an uncertain event whose outcome is dependent either wholly on chance or partly on chance and partly on skill." Those definitions have in common two key elements: The first is the element of chance or luck. The second is the wagering of money.

However, those definitions leave out a key element which other definitions include: Gambling is "participation in any game of chance in which a prize is offered to the winners at the losers' loss." That is very important and must not be overlooked. True gambling means that for me to win you must lose or for you to win I must lose. It is this principle which is behind all forms of gambling—from the friendly Friday night poker game to the glittery casinos of Las Vegas. If the winner's prize doesn't come at the expense of the loser, then it's not really gambling. Here, then, is a comprehensive definition: "Gambling is the betting of money—or something of value—on the outcome of an artificially created chance or uncertain event, whereby the prize money is not determined by value, service or goodwill but rather by chance, in such a way that the gain of the winners is at the expense of the losers."

Therefore, there are three key elements in the definition of gambling: First, the betting of money or something else of value. Second, the winner is determined by a chance or uncertain event. Third, the gain of the winners is at the expense of the losers.

Such a definition is broad enough to include traditional casino gambling, the Friday night poker game, bingo, keno, raffles, lotteries, pari-mutuel betting, and other more exotic forms of wagering. It is narrow enough to exclude things like life insurance and investing in the stock market.

(Incidentally, the primary difference between gambling and life insurance or investing in the stock market is that the first involves artificially-created risks while the latter two involve risks inherent in life. That is, everyone is going to die. That is a determined factor; the only undetermined factor is when a given person will die. Life insurance does not create the risk of death, but merely spreads the risk out among many people. Likewise, the stock market will go up or down depending on various conditions in the economy. That is a determined factor; the only undetermined factor is when and by how much. Investing in the stock market does not create the risk of economic change, but merely spreads it among many people. Planning in light of the future certainty of death is not gambling nor is investing in view of future economic change.)

In light of the definition, it should be clear that horse racing is not gambling. Likewise, playing bingo is not gambling. But betting money on the outcome of a horse race or on the outcome of a bingo game is gambling. It is gambling because the winner of a horse race is an uncertain event and the winner of a bingo game is determined by chance. It is gambling because money is wagered. It is gambling because the winner's prize is paid out of the loser's money. The key point is that the money to pay the winner has to


II. Gambling And The Christian Faith

It is worth noting that the heading does not say "Gambling and the Bible." The difference is significant for the Bible has relatively little to say about gambling. There are various references to the casting of lots in the Old Testament which may be similar to rolling dice. (Joshua 14:2, I Chronicles 25:7, Proverbs 16:33) However, the purpose of casting lots was to determine the Lord's will in a given matter, not to make a financial gain. The only New Testament reference to anything that approaches modern gambling is the account of the Roman soldiers casting lots for Jesus' garments at the foot of the cross. (Matthew 27:35)

Since the Bible does not deal with the issue directly, we are forced to look at the larger context of the Bible. When we do that, three major issues come to the surface.


To read more on ths please visit the following website and the information gathered above was obtain was gathered from this site too.

As quoted by © 1991 Ray Pritchard, Keep Believing Ministries
Calvary Memorial Church, Oak Park, Illinois, USA
http://www.cmcop.org/sermons/htm/issues/910725.htm

possum
19-04-2004, 01:44 AM
Well spoken and a thoroughly well researched expose meripng. :)

How sad it is that many Christians take gambling so lightly when it is immoral in its foundations.

In effect it is stealing from the Lord because you as a Christian are a steward of your time, money and body. There for we should ask the question: Would Christ/God/The Holy Spirit condone the use of gambling for the sake of earning money.

The answer is a resounding NO!

Stealing as you are aware is forbidden as one of the 10 commandments.

To break one of the commandments is akin to breaking them all!!

And remember to break a commandment is to transgress the law and SIN by definition is a transgression of the law!

Now I ask you; how could a Christian organisation support the act of sinning?

MISSISSIPPI1234
19-06-2004, 06:56 PM
IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK LOOKS LIKE A DUCK AND GOES "QUACK QUACK"
THEN IT PROBABLY is A DUCK. PNG AND THE REST OF YOUR POOR COUNTRIES
DON'T NEED OR WANT YOUR OLD-FASHIONED SCAM or ANY MORE of YOUR
PLATITUDES OR PHILOSOPHY'S MASQUARADING . Get lost and go to
VEGAS and play with the big boys you wimp.

meripng
06-07-2004, 10:58 AM
I see someone's been very quite after we put his little scam on da limelight!!!



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